chilledchimp ([info]chilledchimp) wrote,
@ 2009-06-24 19:07:00
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Afters, anyone?
On a training course today. Had lunch with two very pleasant women from British Columbia who were on a part-working, part-holiday trip to London. One of them turned to me and said "May I ask a silly question? Why do the English call dessert "pudding"? " I drew upon my exhaustive reading of Jilly Cooper to reply that, strictly speaking, dessert was fruit served as part of a meal, after the main course. Someone across the table opined that pudding was anything you ate with custard.

I wonder if whether you call it pudding or dessert is related to social class. The Headmaster of a posh independent school I used to work in always called it pudding. In my working class family it was called "afters" or pudding. At school it was afters, too. Perhaps "dessert" belongs to the middle classes, especially those who've spent time in the US, or see it as a more modern term?

I throw this one open to comment. Are you "pudding" or "dessert"?

In other news, I celebrated payday with an Indian Head Massage. It was lovely, and I will go back. Feeling very relaxed at the moment.




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[info]spencerpine
2009-06-24 06:43 pm UTC (link)
Also, I think pudding is a physical thing. So you get steak and kidney pudding, which suggests that "pudding" means "big lump of stuff", which, because big lumps of stuff were often served for dessert, has come to mean "dessert".

Graham

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[info]caffeine_fairy
2009-06-24 07:35 pm UTC (link)
For me it was always afters, but for my Mum's family (from the Midlands) it was pudding. So maybe it's a regional thing?

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[info]undyingking
2009-06-25 08:23 am UTC (link)
We used to have afters too (if we'd been good). That was in Essex, might support the regional hypothesis.

IIRC at school dinners it was called pudding, but I guess institutional terminology might be more universalized.

Now it seems we usually just have a piece of fruit if anything, so the term doesn't get wheeled out vey often.

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[info]motorpickle
2009-06-24 07:38 pm UTC (link)
I'm a desert person, except for the fact that we had a pudding party! More alliterative.

I always thought pudding was the northern version.

Also I heard that pud used to be served before the meal to quench people's hunger before the meat and two veg part came along.

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[info]karohemd
2009-06-24 08:43 pm UTC (link)
For me, the non-native speaker, "pudding" is a very specific dessert but can also be a savoury dish with both being cooked in the same way, so I'd usually use "dessert" or more rarely, "afters".
However, I'm aware that many Brits use "pudding" as the generic term.

In German, "Dessert" (pronounced like the French) is a bit more posh than "Nachtisch" (literally, "after table") or "Nachspeise" (after dish).

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[info]chilledchimp
2009-06-24 08:54 pm UTC (link)
Channel 4's Come Dine With Me agrees with Jilly - This is from their website, not that they're snobs or anything:

Calling the sweet dish served at the end of a meal dessert is a common schoolboy error that will show you up as a fawning social climber like an air hostess bear-hugging the Queen.

'Dessert' should be dropped from posh vocabulary in favour of the stodgier sounding but more upmarket 'pudding'. Other food terms that masquerade as posh are; 'preserve' (say 'jam'), 'serviette' (say 'napkin') and 'greens' (it's 'vegetables', scum).

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[info]lucyas
2009-06-25 11:48 am UTC (link)
Hmm - I think I tend to call a hot sweet course pudding and a cold sweet course dessert.

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